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House bill to offer $1 billion for 100-mpg cars

Autoweek -- Dan Lungren lives in Gold River, an unincorporated community outside of Sacramento, Calif., that wants desperately not to be seen as part of its undesirable neighbor Rancho Cordova--despite the fact that most in the area who don't live there see it as a community of confused, affluent people who like to pretend they don't live in Rancho Cordova.

Lungren, in his capacity as the U.S. representative for California's 3rd District, also wants to offer one of the Detroit Three a billion dollars. A billion dollars? For the auto industry? From a Republican? Ah, but there's a catch!

Lungren's proposed legislation stipulates that the money will go to the first U.S.-incorporated automaker that can sell 60,000 gasoline-powered cars that get more than 100 mpg. The bill, H.R. 3872,...

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Submitted Feb 03, 2012 By: BurntOrange

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Double_Golden All-Star Author San Francisco Posts:750 Points:245,755 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 3:36:45 AM Ignore Double_Golden Report Abuse I don't want to put my tax money into this
anascom All-Star Author Hamilton Posts:892 Points:321,315 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 12:57:36 AM Ignore anascom Report Abuse looks to me as another way around to wasting tax payer's money!
FastAndy Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:4,493 Points:1,673,565 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 11:59:46 PM Ignore FastAndy Report Abuse sounds like a good idea.
esq262 Champion Author Asheville Posts:1,196 Points:299,315 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 6:29:33 PM Ignore esq262 Report Abuse We cannot afford this.
clpassenubye Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:2,190 Points:428,465 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 12:19:28 PM Ignore clpassenubye Report Abuse It sounds like a good investment but I hope there's more too it than 100 MPG
SkyWarnTX All-Star Author Texas Posts:945 Points:56,845 Joined:Jan 2012	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 11:42:58 AM Ignore SkyWarnTX Report Abuse Hybrid Electric / Water to Hydrogen / Gasoline Mix / Electric Generator with REGENERATIVE Braking ...Technology is already there...
Grizdad Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:3,279 Points:504,220 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 11:25:17 AM Ignore Grizdad Report Abuse Not on the taxpayer dime! If they can do it on their own, it would sell.
reb4 Champion Author Chicago Posts:14,986 Points:1,462,665 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 9:32:12 AM Ignore reb4 Report Abuse sounds like a good investment. Will it mean it will cost more than the volt...
kenji554 All-Star Author Charlotte Posts:936 Points:224,670 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 4:48:11 AM Ignore kenji554 Report Abuse Great incentive. Hope it happens soon
alterman156 Champion Author New York Posts:5,625 Points:1,197,650 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:19:35 PM Ignore alterman156 Report Abuse I wouldn't mind having a 100 M.P.G. car.
aquarinut Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,217 Points:278,960 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:21:37 PM Ignore aquarinut Report Abuse $1BILLION!!!! From where???
bullman68 All-Star Author St. Louis Posts:596 Points:298,800 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 9:53:46 PM Ignore bullman68 Report Abuse Politicians just love to see their names in the news.
ExplorerWA Champion Author Washington Posts:2,252 Points:437,390 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 8:30:38 PM Ignore ExplorerWA Report Abuse All these politicans want to do is spend money but not their own. Bad idea.
GRCummins53 Veteran Author Stockton Posts:337 Points:141,010 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 7:16:24 PM Ignore GRCummins53 Report Abuse That's $16,666.67 per vehicle - outrageous!
schatzila Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:3,252 Points:681,040 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 6:05:28 PM Ignore schatzila Report Abuse It could happen.
Edpap Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:1,579 Points:152,250 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 5:38:02 PM Ignore Edpap Report Abuse not a good idea. the replacement for the gasoline engine should have zero requirement for gasoline as a fuel.
md11capt Champion Author Denver Posts:1,797 Points:388,445 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 5:16:54 PM Ignore md11capt Report Abuse Talks about the 200 mpg Pogue Carburetor.
The_DR Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,075 Points:234,595 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:38:43 PM Ignore The_DR Report Abuse I'll take 1 billion.
ktbaeohana Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:1,183 Points:264,170 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:51:55 PM Ignore ktbaeohana Report Abuse Good news.
bandannaman Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,149 Points:224,645 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:26:52 PM Ignore bandannaman Report Abuse Not high enough? Next bid?
ziyulu Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:6,664 Points:1,266,620 Joined:Aug 2007	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 2:56:05 PM Ignore ziyulu Report Abuse What's another $1 billion on top of the I don't know how many billion deficit?
humblepie Champion Author Toledo Posts:17,395 Points:2,011,270 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 2:36:14 PM Ignore humblepie Report Abuse thats a pretty sound bet..........
glorioussnookie Champion Author Tennessee Posts:3,418 Points:596,655 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 2:17:01 PM Ignore glorioussnookie Report Abuse I so agree with - "Tnfran" - "VanHalen" - "mid11capt" ! "carrolcreek" you sure hit the nail on the head!!!! Hope you all have a Great weekend!
BIGOILEATURCRUD Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,665 Points:1,021,260 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:54:40 PM Ignore BIGOILEATURCRUD Report Abuse I'm still content with my 16 year old Metro @ 50 mpg. Can't pass anything except mopeds & gas stations, but in two more years I'll take it to vote.
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:44,887 Points:1,812,700 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:26:44 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse On Feb 3, 2012 11:40:06 AM, Van_Halen wrote: >But is this real consumer driving mileage, EPA Estimate, >or HONDA MILEAGE?! It all depends but given the existence of Federal Test Procedure 75 (modified), there is no reason to reinvent the wheel. >This article is funny because the reason we don't already >have 100MPG cars is BECAUSE of Congress! Ford >already has cars driving all over Europe that get 69 >MPG, but Congress will not let them be imported or >built her!. Well, those 69 MPG Fords over in Europe meet European emission standards which if anything are more strict. You don't get them here because we don't go for roller skates that are labeled as cars. One of my former co-workers went to Europe and brought back pictures of European cars. They were about as high as his five-year-old daughter was tall, in fact he took more than one picture showing the comparison. FWIW, the vehicle that won the mainstream category in the Progressive Insurance Automotive X Prize got 110 MPG. On E-85. >By the way, the Oil Companies don't want 100 MPG cars >which is why Standard Oil gave Chrysler $20 Million to buy >the Prague Carburetor for 10 Million Dollars and shelve it. Some people can't even get their urban legends right.
Travel1st Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:1,059 Points:195,205 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:23:04 PM Ignore Travel1st Report Abuse I am with Van Halen on this one.
GT3186 Champion Author Salem Posts:1,270 Points:270,780 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:14:50 PM Ignore GT3186 Report Abuse Lungren, if this is such a good idea, you should be able to corral enough philanthropists who are willing and eager, out of their own big hearts (and own deep pockets), to contribute to a pool of non-taxpayer money to reward the first US-incorporated automaker who can successfully market a 100-mpg car. In other words, Lungren, keep your hands out of MY pocket for YOUR boneheaded idea! [Edited by: GT3186 at 2/3/2012 1:18:00 PM EST]
tnfran Champion Author Arizona Posts:2,571 Points:497,715 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:05:30 PM Ignore tnfran Report Abuse That is a great idea carrollcreek . As you stated it would take the MFG's to make it and consumers to pony up $$$ to get it too. But with our dimwit thinking CONgress and Senate people it probably won't happen.
ObieDog All-Star Author Maryland Posts:981 Points:528,970 Joined:Sep 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:52:49 PM Ignore ObieDog Report Abuse Incentives have driven invention for almost a century. They have also driven greed.
Van_Halen Champion Author Atlanta Posts:1,674 Points:333,405 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:40:06 PM Ignore Van_Halen Report Abuse . But is this real consumer driving mileage, EPA Estimate, or HONDA MILEAGE?! This article is funny because the reason we don't already have 100MPG cars is BECAUSE of Congress! Ford already has cars driving all over Europe that get 69 MPG, but Congress will not let them be imported or built her!. If you take the anti-smog junk off my Expedition and re-map the computer to optimize fuel mileage, I get a third more mileage. Do you know why you haven't seen a car over heat in traffic in the last 15 years? Its because the engine computer riches up the fuel mixture when the vehicle is idling or about to overheat which cools down the engine with unburnt gasoline! This is why your vehicle has a catalytic convertor, to burn gasoline that makes it past the engine. And the reason cat convertors are so hot all the time is they are constantly burning unused gasoline! All because the EPA and Congress mandated this to the Auto Industry all in the name of air quality. If we had proper highways without congestion, there would be no reason for smog equipment to be robbing us of a third of our mileage! By the way, the Oil Companies don't want 100 MPG cars which is why Standard Oil gave Chrysler $20 Million to buy the Prague Carburetor for 10 Million Dollars and shelve it. Additionally if the EPA and Congress were not so rigid and backward thinking, they would allow vehicle computers to advance timing and lean out the mixture to maximize fuel economy once a vehicle is over 40 MPH for 3 minutes. Even a badly tuned 1972 Camaro hardly pollutes when it going 55MPH!
Norm10 Champion Author British Columbia Posts:1,853 Points:90,770 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:41:57 AM Ignore Norm10 Report Abuse I wonder who will be the first to print stickers saying their cars will go over 100 mpg and collect this $1 billion? The government would certainly be stupid enough to pay out the money - especially if there was a kick back involved.
Papa_Gallo All-Star Author Houston Posts:918 Points:238,245 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:25:00 AM Ignore Papa_Gallo Report Abuse The ignorace of engineering and themodynamics is this country is shocking.
amoshins All-Star Author Trenton Posts:962 Points:312,855 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:22:35 AM Ignore amoshins Report Abuse but we don't want to buy them..
md11capt Champion Author Denver Posts:1,797 Points:388,445 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:16:37 AM Ignore md11capt Report Abuse Obviously a big threat to BIG OIL. Just like the light bulb was to the candle makers.
TripleHs Champion Author Austin Posts:1,847 Points:599,405 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:10:25 AM Ignore TripleHs Report Abuse interesting, really
shawnpv Rookie Author Texas Posts:8 Points:85,435 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:49:06 AM Ignore shawnpv Report Abuse Moredleg, you are absolutely correct. To add to that, we would also need a car that is reliable and safe. Doesn't do much good to have a 100mpg car if its unreliable. My car buying is based mostly on gas mileage and reliability.
kx250 Champion Author Michigan Posts:1,426 Points:771,925 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:47:15 AM Ignore kx250 Report Abuse Good thing those Jackballs aren't in charge of the purse strings anymore. Good old-fashioned feels-good and spending like a sailor on two days shore leave.
MOREDLEG All-Star Author Missouri Posts:753 Points:263,770 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:41:14 AM Ignore MOREDLEG Report Abuse Isint California on the verge of insolvency, Now I wonder why. If a car company could sell 60,000 gas powered vehicles that get 100 MPG, the govt wouldnt have to pony up the $$$, the market would. (See Chevy Volt disucssion)
Chem60 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,908 Points:454,475 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:19:14 AM Ignore Chem60 Report Abuse How many car companies will bother trying if they stand to get sued in small claims court (like Honda in California?)
db60 All-Star Author Indiana Posts:982 Points:211,255 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:12:59 AM Ignore db60 Report Abuse Too funny!
fuel2use Champion Author Seattle Posts:1,821 Points:411,475 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:12:42 AM Ignore fuel2use Report Abuse A wish in one hand and in the other.
BIGOILEATURCRUD Champion Author North Carolina Posts:3,665 Points:1,021,260 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:03:05 AM Ignore BIGOILEATURCRUD Report Abuse ROTFL "Lungren's bill is the political equivalent of living in Gold River. It's all pretend." Not even thinking of the play money source.
fowlcan All-Star Author Oklahoma City Posts:667 Points:341,390 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:01:02 AM Ignore fowlcan Report Abuse Well, Isn't that special.
StArrow68 Champion Author Oakland Posts:1,437 Points:1,005,225 Joined:Apr 2003	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 9:52:26 AM Ignore StArrow68 Report Abuse Even in today's world, $1B sounds big. Does anyone remember the per car incentives given at taxpayer expense to get electric vehicles on the road? I'm betting that it is much bigger than the $1,667 per car of this proposal.
beck12j All-Star Author Dayton Posts:796 Points:234,715 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 9:35:28 AM Ignore beck12j Report Abuse ok
dorisntx Champion Author Fort Worth Posts:1,272 Points:337,700 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 9:34:39 AM Ignore dorisntx Report Abuse whatever
JCUBE Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,672 Points:1,559,855 Joined:Aug 2003	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 9:33:06 AM Ignore JCUBE Report Abuse What do you expect from a state that gives us morons like Nancy Peelouzzy, Barbie Box head, Feinstein and a moron Governor...break off that state at the fault line, put a high fence around it with the afoementioned morons on it, and set it adrift into the deep blue Pacific.
carrollcreek Champion Author Minnesota Posts:3,062 Points:737,920 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 9:27:53 AM Ignore carrollcreek Report Abuse With the price of gas going up, the incentive should be there for us citizens. Instead of giving the automakers all of the incentive, they should state that half the incentive will go to them (so they build it) and the other half would go to the consumers that purchased it (up to the first 100,000 cars). The money could be used to pay off the cars or do something else. That would do both things, get the auto makers to make the vehicles and get the consumers to make that initial investment.
doeslayersr Champion Author Illinois Posts:5,831 Points:512,150 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 9:26:10 AM Ignore doeslayersr Report Abuse November is one day closer. Remind your legislator not to spend more tax payer dollars on this.
johntxx All-Star Author Texas Posts:707 Points:257,950 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 9:16:35 AM Ignore johntxx Report Abuse We've got to down-size our government and their spending. One billion dollars? Case in point.